. >> so al gore had a plus 22 rating even in a losing campaign, john mccain i think was about plus 16. and mitt romney according to pew was minus 5. and so that is, that is a problem. nonetheless, the romney-- barack obama is no walk in the park either. >> huh-uh. >> and so hits people think he deserves to bee-elected, is the country headed in the right direction, those numbers are terrible too. >> that doesn't mean it's out of reach for mitt romney. i think he has to shift it off to personal stuff and try to get it on the policy stuff and try to run a very policy heavy campaign. that by the way is not what he did this week. he has done a much more compassionate campaign to try to move up his personal ratings. i think that is the wrong strategy. >> is that how he turns it around, by what he talks about. >> i think he's in a difficult position right now, judy, because he's going into debate right now. you have been a little bit behind in this race all the way along. so you say okay, wait until we pick a vice president. you pick a vice president, get a flurry, nothing happens. well, the